Comments on: cck08 Being there and suddenly very lonely http://siavogel.edublogs.org/2008/10/25/cck08-being-there-and-suddenly-very-lonely/ A blog about my learning in an online course (CCK09) Mon, 05 Oct 2009 08:20:31 -0400 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.8.2 hourly 1 By: Lori Landay http://siavogel.edublogs.org/2008/10/25/cck08-being-there-and-suddenly-very-lonely/comment-page-1/#comment-43 Lori Landay Mon, 03 Nov 2008 16:30:32 +0000 http://siavogel.edublogs.org/?p=13#comment-43 Sia, I appreciate that you took the time and effort to express your ideas and feelings. I also have felt very much alone and alienated in CCK08, and it has only been as the numbers of people in the Elluminate have grown smaller that I have felt comfortable chiming in. I find it more intimidating to talk into the microphone of my headset than in a large group of people whose faces I can see, and trying to keep up with both the text and voice is horrible whether it is in your first language or not! So, you are definitely not alone, and have helped people understand your (and their) experiences with your post. Thanks. Sia,

I appreciate that you took the time and effort to express your ideas and feelings. I also have felt very much alone and alienated in CCK08, and it has only been as the numbers of people in the Elluminate have grown smaller that I have felt comfortable chiming in. I find it more intimidating to talk into the microphone of my headset than in a large group of people whose faces I can see, and trying to keep up with both the text and voice is horrible whether it is in your first language or not! So, you are definitely not alone, and have helped people understand your (and their) experiences with your post. Thanks.

]]> By: Control by Personality « Lisa’s CCK08 Wordpress Blog http://siavogel.edublogs.org/2008/10/25/cck08-being-there-and-suddenly-very-lonely/comment-page-1/#comment-39 Control by Personality « Lisa’s CCK08 Wordpress Blog Wed, 29 Oct 2008 19:58:15 +0000 http://siavogel.edublogs.org/?p=13#comment-39 [...] are those whom for reasons of language, typing speed, or focus cannot participate quickly (as in Sia Vogel’s feeling of loneliness during an Elluminate session), and they are already at a disadvantage in a synchronous environment. [...] [...] are those whom for reasons of language, typing speed, or focus cannot participate quickly (as in Sia Vogel’s feeling of loneliness during an Elluminate session), and they are already at a disadvantage in a synchronous environment. [...]

]]> By: jim2cck08 http://siavogel.edublogs.org/2008/10/25/cck08-being-there-and-suddenly-very-lonely/comment-page-1/#comment-38 jim2cck08 Wed, 29 Oct 2008 02:40:04 +0000 http://siavogel.edublogs.org/?p=13#comment-38 Hi Sia, It seems to me you sure made a connection with a bunch of us! It's amazing how well we can connect when feelings are exposed and some humanity is shared. I agree with Maru: you are certainly not alone...even if it feels like it sometimes. I hope you nights are a little less painful. pas op jezelf. Hi Sia,

It seems to me you sure made a connection with a bunch of us! It’s amazing how well we can connect when feelings are exposed and some humanity is shared. I agree with Maru: you are certainly not alone…even if it feels like it sometimes.
I hope you nights are a little less painful.

pas op jezelf.

]]> By: Sarah Stewart http://siavogel.edublogs.org/2008/10/25/cck08-being-there-and-suddenly-very-lonely/comment-page-1/#comment-37 Sarah Stewart Mon, 27 Oct 2008 20:10:18 +0000 http://siavogel.edublogs.org/?p=13#comment-37 Hi Sia Thank you for the post - I have enjoyed reading it and all the responses. All I can say is that I admire you hugely taking time to blog in a second language - I can only speak English so appreciate you using this language. Networking does take time, I have found. I would say it has taken me 15 months to build a network that I can 'trust' with my learning. And often, you and your work has an effect but you never know about it. So keep on doing what you're doing - you do make a difference. Hi Sia

Thank you for the post – I have enjoyed reading it and all the responses. All I can say is that I admire you hugely taking time to blog in a second language – I can only speak English so appreciate you using this language.

Networking does take time, I have found. I would say it has taken me 15 months to build a network that I can ‘trust’ with my learning. And often, you and your work has an effect but you never know about it. So keep on doing what you’re doing – you do make a difference.

]]> By: ruthdemitroff http://siavogel.edublogs.org/2008/10/25/cck08-being-there-and-suddenly-very-lonely/comment-page-1/#comment-36 ruthdemitroff Mon, 27 Oct 2008 17:03:27 +0000 http://siavogel.edublogs.org/?p=13#comment-36 I live in an area of Canada which has a large Dutch population. If you tag your posts with CCK08 and say it is written in Dutch, I could forward your posts to my sister-in-law and ask her to explain it me. The Dutch and Canadians have had close ties since W.W.II. Writing in Dutch may not be the barrier you think. The world is small and interconnected. I live in an area of Canada which has a large Dutch population. If you tag your posts with CCK08 and say it is written in Dutch, I could forward your posts to my sister-in-law and ask her to explain it me. The Dutch and Canadians have had close ties since W.W.II. Writing in Dutch may not be the barrier you think. The world is small and interconnected.

]]> By: Maru http://siavogel.edublogs.org/2008/10/25/cck08-being-there-and-suddenly-very-lonely/comment-page-1/#comment-35 Maru Mon, 27 Oct 2008 15:49:16 +0000 http://siavogel.edublogs.org/?p=13#comment-35 Hi Sia! I am sorry to hear that you were not feeling well a few days ago, I hope you are feeling better now. As a non English speaker I can relate very well to your feelings, for me it's also a time consuming task to write my posts, sometimes I also feel that I cannot share something considered as valuable. The comments on your post let you know that you are not alone, we are not alone. I add myself to them by saying that reading your blog I find a lot of value. The sense of belonging is taking long to build, at least for me, and I think is not related to the language we speak or to the level of expertise each one has. I have to elaborate more on this and find a way to put in into words. I am glad to see that you are enjoying the course. Maru :X Hi Sia!
I am sorry to hear that you were not feeling well a few days ago, I hope you are feeling better now.
As a non English speaker I can relate very well to your feelings, for me it’s also a time consuming task to write my posts, sometimes I also feel that I cannot share something considered as valuable. The comments on your post let you know that you are not alone, we are not alone. I add myself to them by saying that reading your blog I find a lot of value.
The sense of belonging is taking long to build, at least for me, and I think is not related to the language we speak or to the level of expertise each one has. I have to elaborate more on this and find a way to put in into words.
I am glad to see that you are enjoying the course.
Maru :X

]]> By: Anja http://siavogel.edublogs.org/2008/10/25/cck08-being-there-and-suddenly-very-lonely/comment-page-1/#comment-34 Anja Sun, 26 Oct 2008 20:13:42 +0000 http://siavogel.edublogs.org/?p=13#comment-34 Hi Sia, What a shame that this time the course did not give a positive feeling, but in fact left you empty-handed at the end of the session. Still, the strong and capable person that I know you are, you do not complain about this fact; instead you just comment on it by describing the mood you were in. Although I'm not a participant in this course I can well imagine that a massive course such as this can alienate people from time to time, even though the opposite is definitely the purpose of the whole course. Just wondering: could it be that a modest person such as yourself does not easily make herself visible and heard among the crowd populating the session, but contributes in a big way in other aspects? Every course has its ups and downs in my experience. I still admire your energy and courage for taking part in this gigantic but definitely fascinating enterprise. Keep up the good spirit and as Ed pointed out above: "It may be that connections we are making now will only show their value over time - we don’t know yet what we can offer each other. So if the frenetic pace of the course doesn’t work for all of us in the short term, that doesn’t mean we’re not building a useful network. Time will tell." I'll keep tracking you, all the best ! Hi Sia,
What a shame that this time the course did not give a positive feeling, but in fact left you empty-handed at the end of the session.
Still, the strong and capable person that I know you are, you do not complain about this fact; instead you just comment on it by describing the mood you were in.
Although I’m not a participant in this course I can well imagine that a massive course such as this can alienate people from time to time, even though the opposite is definitely the purpose of the whole course.
Just wondering: could it be that a modest person such as yourself does not easily make herself visible and heard among the crowd populating the session, but contributes in a big way in other aspects?

Every course has its ups and downs in my experience. I still admire your energy and courage for taking part in this gigantic but definitely fascinating enterprise. Keep up the good spirit and as Ed pointed out above:
“It may be that connections we are making now will only show their value over time – we don’t know yet what we can offer each other. So if the frenetic pace of the course doesn’t work for all of us in the short term, that doesn’t mean we’re not building a useful network. Time will tell.”
I’ll keep tracking you, all the best !

]]> By: Lisa M Lane http://siavogel.edublogs.org/2008/10/25/cck08-being-there-and-suddenly-very-lonely/comment-page-1/#comment-33 Lisa M Lane Sat, 25 Oct 2008 20:20:03 +0000 http://siavogel.edublogs.org/?p=13#comment-33 Hi again Sia, I do have experience, just not any theoretical knowledge, nor a particular desire to become a theory expert. What I meant was that I totally empathasize with feelings of disconnectedness and distance, a lack of a sense of belonging. And Keith is right, it isn't necessary to jump up and down to be heard. I got to your post through the CCK08 tag in Google alerts, so I find you. Hi again Sia,

I do have experience, just not any theoretical knowledge, nor a particular desire to become a theory expert.

What I meant was that I totally empathasize with feelings of disconnectedness and distance, a lack of a sense of belonging.

And Keith is right, it isn’t necessary to jump up and down to be heard. I got to your post through the CCK08 tag in Google alerts, so I find you.

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]]> By: Keith Lyons http://siavogel.edublogs.org/2008/10/25/cck08-being-there-and-suddenly-very-lonely/comment-page-1/#comment-31 Keith Lyons Sat, 25 Oct 2008 20:02:08 +0000 http://siavogel.edublogs.org/?p=13#comment-31 Sia I read your post early on Sunday morning in Australia. I am sorry I did not see it earlier so that I could join the group responding to you. Writing in the way you do has an enormous impact ... much greater than Ustream or Elluminate. It is interesting how synchronous communication develops its own momentum. Two weeks ago I turned of the chat on Elluminate to concentrate on Alec Couros's presentation. This transformed the session for me. Like you I have been in education for over thirty years and I joined CCK08 to extend my understanding. Like others who have responded to you, I share your sense of vulnerability. Your post reminded me that you do not have to shout to be heard. Keith Sia

I read your post early on Sunday morning in Australia. I am sorry I did not see it earlier so that I could join the group responding to you.

Writing in the way you do has an enormous impact … much greater than Ustream or Elluminate. It is interesting how synchronous communication develops its own momentum. Two weeks ago I turned of the chat on Elluminate to concentrate on Alec Couros’s presentation. This transformed the session for me.

Like you I have been in education for over thirty years and I joined CCK08 to extend my understanding. Like others who have responded to you, I share your sense of vulnerability.

Your post reminded me that you do not have to shout to be heard.

Keith

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